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Mr Reeth
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Posted - 2009.07.29 01:30:00 -
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I'm not sure to whom the OP is making a request of? Is he requesting Amarrians not to use it? Is he requesting Caldari not to produce it? Other than blowing up transports I'm not sure how the egger community can help.
That aside, just the idea of mind controlling implants makes me apprehensive.
But I like to have all the information before rushing to judgment. Can someone explain to me what effect these implants actually have on the brain? And can they be removed without causing brain damage?
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Mr Reeth
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Posted - 2009.07.30 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ugleb
If you are a Slave Holder, we ask you not to use these devices, but suffice to say I do not expect Slavers to heed my words.
If the implant can be safely removed then wouldn't you agree that it is better than vitoc? And that the implant should indeed replace vitoc?
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Mr Reeth
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Posted - 2009.07.31 04:44:00 -
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Originally by: Sidon Zelotes What does it matter what tool is used to correct wrong thought among the slave population? IsnĘt it more humane to induce happiness and contentment in those not chosen by God to live with free will? I suppose you would prefer the lash or whip to a drug or implant. While I own no slaves as yet I must confess that I would readily use any tool that would encourage correct thought contentment, and fear of God and his divine order.
It's a fair question. If the implant replaces the more brutal forms of slave control I'd think the Tribals and other abolitionists would welcome the change. That is provided the implant does no permanent damage.
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Mr Reeth
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Posted - 2009.07.31 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
It is not the method of control used, it is that control must be used at all.
Incase you failed to notice, this is not generic slavery thread #1000932. This is a thread started by a member of a self proclaimed freedom fighting alliance about a SPECIFIC METHOD OF ENSLAVEMENT.
Originally by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
To believe that simply because the method of slavery is improved, that the call to end slavery will cease is simply ignorant or misinformed.
Whoever said it would you daft bird? Your ability to fail at reading what is written and imagine what is not written is quite incredible.
Originally by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
It is about choice and freedom, not whether those enslaved are treated well.
Naturally the end of slavery would still be desired and fought for with the same level of determination. I doubt anybody would expect UK to hang up their Rifters if slaves were given better treatment and ice cream. But IĘd imagine those tribals outside the Empire would hope that their brothers and sisters were not brutalized before they could be freed or were able to find at least some measure of pace and happiness in their unfortunate position. And even if they did not care to what extent their people suffered, I know it damn sure matters to the actual slaves themselves.
Originally by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Amazing.
My dear, please reread what I have posted elsewhere and here. I think your reactions may be out of proportion to what was said.
Now thatĘs the Raven calling the Scorpion black. You might want to practice reading a little yourself before suggesting it to others.
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Mr Reeth
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Posted - 2009.07.31 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Spoon Thumb This debate shouldn't really be about slavery, but rather the relationship between man and machine
At what point does the TCMC become the AI controlling an advanced biological machine rather than an implant enhancing a human being same as any other implant?
For me it is in the useage. A factory worker, be they slave or employee is more than a mere tool in the machinery of the production plant.
This is because they essentially do have free will. There is always a choice, even within the confines of slavery. How you approach your work, how hard you work, and in what frame of mind etc.
If with a TCMC you are guaranteed the same result every time by the way you induce delusions within the mind of the host, then you have indeed turned them into a machine, a tool
What is so abhorant about what Sansha did was that he turned humans into machines. This in essence reduces potential of a human being, to act, think and do. Hence why it was universally condemned by all other nations and peoples
You can't enlighten a machine.
Thus if you can use a TCMC to "nudge" someone in the right direction, as a temporary measure, perhaps purposely fulfilling their dreams or nightmares before disconnecting them back to reality, then I have no moral objections
To turn them into a machine, by keeping them in permanently in a falsely delusional state for example, would be wrong.
I suggest you run an experiment to find out exactly what the implant does. I'm sure CVA has a number of slaves captured from the escape pods of freedom fighter ships. Select an especially... spirited slave and install the implant. If he goes from trying to choke you to death with his chains to your lapdog you'll know the implant goes too far.
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Mr Reeth
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Posted - 2009.08.01 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara Mr Reeth, no need for histrionics. I fully understand what was written.
Your analysis of my statement says otherwise.
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Mr Reeth
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Posted - 2009.08.01 06:35:00 -
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Originally by: Sidon Zelotes Edited by: Sidon Zelotes on 01/08/2009 05:33:27 It pains me to be rudeą and normally I would not bother to speak with a heatheną But that is rich satire Madam Suitonia when so many of your own ōmedicateö themselves to find peace. Perhaps if your culture was based on something besides the exaltation of the self fewer of your kind would have to escape from reality.
Don't worry too much about her statement. Snappy one-liners rarely deserve recognition. Besides the Black Eagles made her say it.
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Mr Reeth
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Posted - 2009.08.01 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Ugleb
Would prefer to lose your right leg, or your left?
If my left leg were detachable and my right leg not I would definitely choose to lose my left leg.
When a vitoc addicted slave is freed he is still addicted to vitoc for life. There is no escape from the torture. The moment one is exposed to the vile slime they have permanently lost a piece of themselves. They can only exist in one of two states, a euphoric drugy cloud or intense pain.
So yes, provided the device could be safely removed and it does not turn me into a mindless drone I would opt for the implant over vitoc. Those are two rather big conditions that may not be met by implant's design. I have yet to see how they actually work.
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Mr Reeth
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Posted - 2009.08.01 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Dex Nederland
TCMCs have been used for several years by Federal citizens for entertainment purposes. These are the same TCMCs that Ishukone sold to the Kingdom previously and now to the Empire. So, unless one is incredibly weak-willed I doubt mindless drone is a treat and implantation processes vary. I am not familiar with Amarrian Slave medicine or its variances so I can not answer the 'safely removed' component.
Thank you for the information.
By safely removed I meant that they are not designed to damage the brain if removed. But given what you have said I'm sure now that they are quite safe.
I suppose the worst thing that can be done with these is create some kind of nightmare scenario in the subjects brain. But the collar is already able to do that chemically so there's no real change.
So the slaves are getting free luxury items just like spoiled Gallente kids. How nice for them.
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